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Electric 3?
« on: June 07, 2021, 10:18:19 AM »
I see Mazda has produced the MX-30.
But will they be doing the same for the 3 do you think?
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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2021, 10:05:24 PM »
I was thinking about this myself the other day. I reckon it'll be offered on the Gen 5 car rather than the current model though, i'd be surprised if they brought one out before they refresh it again. The MX30 looks a lovely car but the battery range on it isn't there yet for me.   
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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2021, 03:28:22 PM »
I see Mazda has produced the MX-30.
But will they be doing the same for the 3 do you think?

Like with many makes these days, they want to test out the tech first before making it available across the entire range.  Besides, the infrastructure needed to support EVs in the millions in the UK just isn't there yet, and in most of the world too.  It isn't just the case that an EV system can just be shoved into an designedf-or ICE car, aspecially as many of the components (e.g. battery pack) take up a LOT of space and the chassis of EVs regularly includes a space under the car (raising it it more) to house them and use them for structural purposes.  The suspension for EVs and ICE cars are quite different, as EVs are heavier.

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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2021, 10:06:57 AM »
A hybrid maybe? ;)
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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2021, 06:40:05 PM »
We've already got MHEV    https://www.mazda.co.uk/why-mazda/mazda-m-hybrid/


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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2021, 06:56:20 PM »
We've already got MHEV    https://www.mazda.co.uk/why-mazda/mazda-m-hybrid/


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How much of a benefit (reduction in CO2 and increase in mpg) does the hybrid provide?  As the Mazda hybrids are 'mild', they don't provide any motive power, just powering the electrics.  Anoyingly, when the government did away with the multi-banded VED, all incentive to go mild hybrid or even full hybrid all but disappeared, especially when the higher purchase price is factored in vs better mpg (at least with the full hybrids of varying shades). 

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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2021, 07:19:55 PM »
Tbf "Mild hybrid" is generally a normal petrol car with a beefed up alternator that gives an undetectable boost in performance once a year...

Seem to recall our DS3 was "mild hybrid" back in 2014...Still did 40 to gallon which for a diesel supermini was catastrophic but qualified for free tax.

I'd expect at least 45 out of the 2 though if not 50 given the economy of the sky activ 3s but suspect the mild hybrid element will be adding square root of zero.

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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2021, 07:22:04 AM »
I did a return journey from Peterborough to Slough today.  Mostly M1  south and A1 north.   Travelling at permitted maximum speeds ( + a little bit more every so often )
I always calculate my fuel brim to brim. So I fuelled before I set off and refuelled when I got back

184.5 miles Overall mpg was 57  It helps with the 6th gear in cruising mode.  I will confess to exceeding the motorway limit by around 30mph on occasion. My excuse is the engine needs loosening up as it's only done 600 miles.
Generally around town and on short trips it does about 50 mpg.

Facts and figures on CO2 are available elsewhere as I have no way of measuring that.  It's not just a "Beefed" up alternator, it is a generator that pumps captured braking energy into a 24 volt battery.
It used to be called e-loop technology, before the days of the i -stop function.  Regarding that, the restarting of the engine from i-stop is imperceptible.

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Re: Electric 3?
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2021, 09:00:58 AM »
Don't get me wrong I like the 2 but that is literally the same system Citroën used in 2014... in that case the alternator was used to start the engine at higher voltage than the normal starter motor giving better and much faster starting. Even on a diesel it was instantaneous when they aren't known for that at all. When it wasn't starting the engine the capacitor was used for ancillaries, it also had the ability to "eco roll" where at traffic speed 5-10 mph it would shut the engine down and still maintain full brake and steering function which was very nice in downhill traffic jams.

Current Citroën is not a "Mild Hybrid" as the alternator does not directly support the engine at any point and yet it still has a seperate high voltage capacitor which it uses for stop start function and ancillaries. Oddly enough it also manages mid to late 40s to early 50s. That is just where modern superminis are these days.

Not to take anything away from the 2 I really liked them when I had them as courtesy cars and if they had more interior and boot space and I could have got a 3 year old one for the price I paid for the C3 I would have. I'm sure it would last longer as well...but given it's my wife's car and she didn't like them hands were tied.

Unfortunately while Mazda make some very good cars they are technologically a bit backward, hence them shouting about a system that's been basically standard equipment on most cars for 5-10 years, the disappointing range of the mx30 and the sheer litany of faults affecting the clever bits of the Gen 4 Mazda 3.

Not the only manufacturer to be making noise about mild hybrid when all they've done is fit a system that allows energy from the stop/start capacitor to energise the alternator allowing it to function as an electric motor..but there's very little difference from what was already the norm. Oddly enough only seems to be the manufacturers who have very little electric presence that are going so heavy on it.
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Re: Electric 3?
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