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Offline Witless_Steve

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Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« on: September 26, 2011, 04:00:03 PM »
I'm dreaming of a Mazda 3 MPS but I haven't a clue how much the little fella would be a tax.
I'd imagine that for the size of the engine it's going to be painful.

Are there any MPS owners here?

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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2011, 05:23:53 PM »
Hello, yes I've got an MPS.  The answer to your question depends on whether you're looking for a Mk 1 or Mk 2 MPS.  The Mk1 is Band L, so costs £445 per year to tax.  The Mk2 has marginally better fuel economy and so drops to band K which is £260.  Don't get me started on the fairness or otherwise of this as I'm likely to start a rant!!
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2011, 07:56:01 PM »
Hello, yes I've got an MPS.  The answer to your question depends on whether you're looking for a Mk 1 or Mk 2 MPS.  The Mk1 is Band L, so costs £445 per year to tax.  The Mk2 has marginally better fuel economy and so drops to band K which is £260.  Don't get me started on the fairness or otherwise of this as I'm likely to start a rant!!
My mechanic was raising my car on the ramp when he paused, stared at the tax disc then turned to me and said, "i hope thats for a year!"

Needless to say, the £240 was only 6 months :(

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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2011, 08:01:16 PM »
the women at my local post office about fell off her chair when i taxed mine for a year.
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2011, 11:04:41 AM »
OK, well I did warn you about a rant!! What gets me is the fact that the banding is so harsh around the 225g/km boundary.  A Focus ST that by most accounts has worse real-world fuel economy than the MPS just scrapes under boundary and so costs 200 quid less.  BTW, a Bentley emitting 400g/km pays just £15 more than us Mk1 owners... 

They should put the tax on fuel which would actually be much fairer - a small diesel car driving 20,000 miles a year still releases more CO2 than me driving my MPS 8,000 miles a year.  I worked it out that based on an average 10,000 miles/year @ 35mpg and average tax of £180, the price of normal unleaded would need to rise by 14p/litre to 1.46ish and then nobody pays road tax.  In fact, it might be a bit cheaper than that because you wouldn't need to pay staff to administer the road tax system.  This would then provide people with an incentive to leave their cars at home because the only time you pay tax is at the pump - no 'standing charge' for owning a car beyond insurance.

Rant over. Sorry!  ;D
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2011, 12:05:59 PM »
What is also unfair is that you can't appeal against it by getting your car remapped and retested for CO2. All you would need is 3% improvement to put it in Band K. Grrrrrrr.

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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2011, 05:43:03 PM »
lol. i had the same rant about a year ago.i was wanting to start a petition to even out the the tax band in to even step ups rather then  a £200 pound leap for the mps when all lower tax bands get about a £75 leaps up, they are guess figurs as i havnt looked in awhile.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2011, 05:45:51 PM »
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2011, 06:28:19 PM »
Totally agree Gavin.  I can just about understand the top band being expensive - you have to take into account everything over 255,  but to penalise those between 226 and 255 almost as much just seems bizarre.  Particularly when you think that the environmental impact is in part how many kms you drive, not just the number of grams of CO2 per km.  I think it looks like an economic rather than an environmental decision - too little revenue from the 255+ band....
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2011, 06:31:07 PM »
Agree completely with both of you! Tax on fuel only is the only fair way to do it!


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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2011, 06:47:21 PM »
i agree with the tax on fuel but the reps who do 30k a year would fight it but then like you say they are pumping far more co2.
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2011, 08:14:55 PM »
I do agree with the extra tax on fuel. However, the main reason that we have the car tax system is that it is an easy way to identify that a car has insurance and an MOT.

Imagine if we just had tax on fuel - how many uninsured drivers would there be?

It's easy for me to have that opinion as i've only got a 1.6  :P

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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2011, 09:53:02 PM »
well you will still have to have insurance, but anoyher negative would mean that every car that had fuel in would be taxed so could then there could end up bean wrecks everywhere unless they change it so the car has to be mot'd to be kept on the road other wise it would be sorn.
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2011, 09:55:04 PM »
I do agree with the extra tax on fuel. However, the main reason that we have the car tax system is that it is an easy way to identify that a car has insurance and an MOT.

Imagine if we just had tax on fuel - how many uninsured drivers would there be?

It's easy for me to have that opinion as i've only got a 1.6  :P

So you still have to display a tax disc for the car but it is free, or a nominal charge to cover admin. I've always thought tax should run this way. I did 5k miles in my Mps in the first year. Compare that to a 30k a year rep mobile...
Anyway. If you had a MPS in Ireland, depending on age, it could be €2100 or €895 to tax it for a year!!!
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2011, 10:09:30 AM »
Ross, I'm afraid I disagree with you on climate change, all the science says its happening.  But the current tax system is not addressing the main problem which is people driving their cars (regardless of how polluting they are).  The current system promotes car use -  if you've paid £445 for a year you're much more likely to use the car rather than take the train.

Bignose1972 (cracking name by the way), To stop there being wrecks everywhere, you could have a disc or a sticker to put on your car when its been MOT'd, insurance would stay the same as now (just through Policing).

Gavin, yep this is the trickiest bit I think - you'd need to provide some rebate for businesses, particularly HGV drivers. I suppose if you're serious about it, trucks cause the most damage to the roads and pollute a lot, but you can't tax firms out of business.  Although I had a look yesterday, you can tax a 25 ton 4-axle truck cheaper than a Mk1 MPS!!
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Re: Dreaming of a mazda 3 MPS
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