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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2020, 06:43:30 PM »
I guess so ☹️ the new skyactiv-x engine looks like it's got the best of both worlds! Be a fair few years before they drop down into my price range 😂

On paper, yes, but in reality, no - the 2.0 SA-X does have roughly the same power as the 2.5 SA-G (though I would suspect the latter has a lot more torque), but all that is is it's max power.  It likely means you can get very good mpg if the drive reasonably, compared to the 2.0 SA-G for a bit better performance, or near the performance of the 2.5 SA-G but with a bit better mpg when it's ragged to the red line.  A sort-of either/or scenario.

The media reviews thus far seem to bear this out, and I'd rather have the smooth drive of the 2.5 SA-G, or the outright power of the 2.5T (SA-G) which again is only available in countries like the US, Canada and possibly down under, but not in the Mazda3, but in their bigger SU-Vs such as the larger CXs.

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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2020, 06:49:21 PM »
No 2.5l engine in the UK because of the emissions issue i'd guess which is a real shame.  :(

The engine is actually allowed - after all, it's available now in the Mazda6, but I suspect they don't put it in the 3 in the UK because it has a higher CO2 emissions level than the 2.0 SA-X (suited to the smaller car) which would mean Mazda would have to pay higher CO2 penalties to the EU, and thus have to either take the hit themselves or risk lower sales by passing on the 'fine' (per car sold) to customers.
The annoying thing is that the fine level is not based on each car sold, but the average over their entire range, which means companies that sell bigger and/or sports vehicles will take a bigger hit.  The rules appear to be designed to help makes that went down the small capacity turbocharged route, and I wonder which makes did that first...especially as many of those also happened to be caught up in Dieselgate and whose cars real world CO2/particulate emissions have been a lot worse than others who went a different route.

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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2020, 04:13:35 PM »
All good points, but there's no need to panic my cars 120hp engine is completely factory standard and I'm happy for my insurance company or the police to verify that 😎

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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #18 on: June 19, 2020, 12:25:50 PM »
All good points, but there's no need to panic my cars 120hp engine is completely factory standard and I'm happy for my insurance company or the police to verify that 😎

It may be now, but if you get a remap to boost the power up to 170, you'll have to inform your insurer, who will likely want more money in order to cater for that on your policy, plus the £25 admin charge just to change it (occasionally they waive it, especially if you're a long-standing customer). Like your car, I suspect that the OEM 165 is physically the same (engine-wise) as the 120, except for how the engine mapping is done.

Just be careful - a decision to go ahead with the remap and not tell your insurer could cost you £0000s, maybe a lot more if your involved in an actual accident (especially if it's a fault claim) as you could find yourself only able to get insurance from a few who price in the previous incident and charge a fortune...and this would be the case for several years. And that isn't even taking into account any Police involvement and what that could do - either could lose you your job if, say, you can't obtain insurance, had an (fault) accident on company time they will have to pay for in full or you are banned from driving via extra points or a court case for fraud.

I saw this happen to an ex-colleague of mine several years ago where he allowed his son to drive his BMW but who was not on the insurance policy as a named driver - he had an accident (bad fault claim), the son was banned (newer driver), the Dad's policy was cancelled (meaning his wife had to ferry him [not good for a senior engineer who needed to drive as part of his job] or get a taxi to work and back whilst he tried to obtain a replacement policy) and had another 6pts for allowing his son to drive the car whilst not insured, taking him up to 11pts. That would stay on his record for 4 years.

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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2020, 04:20:07 PM »
I had a remap back in 2017 and deliberately booked it in for the day after my insurance was due for renewal to avoid any 'admin' fee and to avoid being tied into whatever the increased premium would have been with my existing provider. There are a number of specialist brokers covering modified vehicles and I opted for Sky Insurance for the first couple of years and latterly have been with Adrian Flux. In the first year my policy with Sky was only £20 more than the cheapest I could find for a 'standard' spec using price comparison sites (although it is hard to make a genuine comparison without significantly more effort, as the eventual prices often change when you go through and check your details on the individual provider's web site). At renewal time with Sky I forgot to confirm within their 'early renewal discount' window and ended up forking out a good £50 more than I needed to. The price crept up again in 2019 so I phoned around again and went with Adrian Flux. This year renewal snuck up on me again so I didn't get to shop around but the price seems roughly what I expected.

I really like the extra oomph the remap provides but I do miss being able to enter data into just two or three comparison sites and re-running the saved details each year. With modifications it is back to the dark ages of phoning around as many specialists as you can be bothered to and give the same tedious details over and over again several times every single year. I don't think I could sleep soundly if I knew my insurance could be invalidated for the sake of an extra £20 - £50 over the year, though.

I suspect many choose not to declare remaps deliberately but I do wonder how many vehicles have been sold on without declaring the remap to the buyer, who could then find themselves in major problems through little fault of their own (how many, realistically, would think to ask whether the engine has been customised when considering a parchase?). When I come to sell mine I will have to consider whether the remap is likely to decrease the potential value (I imagine many will be put off by having to declare a modification) or whether to pay the £80 it would cost me to have the factory map refitted and hoping the company I purchased it from is still in business to do so at that point.
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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2020, 11:15:17 AM »
Thanks for the information regarding the effects of remaps on insurance premiums, much appreciated.
Added a K&N panel filter to the 3 this morning, got to be worth at least an extra 50bhp 😜


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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2020, 11:23:31 AM »
All good points, but there's no need to panic my cars 120hp engine is completely factory standard and I'm happy for my insurance company or the police to verify that 😎

I saw this happen to an ex-colleague of mine several years ago where he allowed his son to drive his BMW but who was not on the insurance policy as a named driver - he had an accident (bad fault claim), the son was banned (newer driver), the Dad's policy was cancelled (meaning his wife had to ferry him [not good for a senior engineer who needed to drive as part of his job] or get a taxi to work and back whilst he tried to obtain a replacement policy) and had another 6pts for allowing his son to drive the car whilst not insured, taking him up to 11pts. That would stay on his record for 4 years.

The police are very unlikely to be called in for not telling your insurance your car has been modified and theres a claim ongoing, if it was a dodgy looking claim ie deliberate accident to claim then they would but for not telling about a mod very unlikely
The example you gave is a different thing altogether, knowingly allowing someone to drive your car who has no insurance or license is an offence and seperate from modding cars and insurance policies.
My wife works in car insurance dealing with complaints. She sees all the stunts pulled and how they are dealt with. What you don't want is having a car insurance policy voided or cancelled by the insurer, as that makes it a lot harder and more expensive to get further car insurance elsewhere.

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Re: Mazda 3 Sport Nav
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2020, 11:23:31 AM »