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Title: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Metric on December 07, 2010, 09:39:19 PM
"Autocar" 1st December, page 19, reports that Ford have reduced their stake in Mazda from 11% to 3.5% and pose the question as to whether Mazda will look for a new models development partner or go it alone. If they could afford to, going it alone might produce the best results, but the trend is for car companies to work together, as with the latest Mercedes, Renault, Nissan deal on engines.

Could be interesting.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Mindis on December 07, 2010, 10:27:03 PM
Would be nice to have some Mercedes engines.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Samp! on December 07, 2010, 10:34:34 PM
this happened a while ago, ford sold the 7.5% back to us, so they could make some money as they needed it!
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Post by: Heffers on December 08, 2010, 05:39:14 PM
i agree could be interesting, but i don't think we need to worry about engine changes as they have just designed a new lot called "skyactive" that are supposed to be alot more economic and more torquey that are supposed to be connected to some new gearboxes as well.

a few sources:
ELife (http://www.elifemagz.com/automotives/mazda-announces-lightweight-chassis-and-body-designs-skyactiv-is-the-new-sky/)
MB.com (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/289524/mazdas-skyactive-technology-taps-hidden-power-combustion-engine)
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Samp! on December 08, 2010, 08:11:49 PM
yep i dont know how they have done it but the new sky engines have the highest compression of any petrol engine and the lowest compression of any deisel engine
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Post by: sk4tec on December 08, 2010, 08:24:44 PM
yep i dont know how they have done it but the new sky engines have the highest compression of any petrol engine and the lowest compression of any deisel engine

Its not much of a big deal on a diesel, but its a bigger deal on a petrol to get pre-ignition.

Top tip for you, you'd learn a lot about compression by using and taking apart a nitro model car.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: 185sport on December 09, 2010, 09:15:13 AM
Top tip for you, you'd learn a lot about compression by using and taking apart a nitro model car.

I believe the clever bit is putting it back together without any bits left over and it actually working again. ;D
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: sk4tec on December 09, 2010, 10:32:43 AM
Top tip for you, you'd learn a lot about compression by using and taking apart a nitro model car.

I believe the clever bit is putting it back together without any bits left over and it actually working again. ;D

Yeah LOL...
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: K13 RFF on December 13, 2010, 09:08:22 PM
woooo wooooo no more Ford rubbish in the mazdas :) :) hehe
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: sk4tec on December 13, 2010, 09:28:06 PM
woooo wooooo no more Ford rubbish in the mazdas :) :) hehe

Oh ok then, you'll be wanting some cr@ppy torsion beam rear end then  ;) Ford Europe has lead the way in chassis development in hatchbacks and forced everyone else to raise their game.
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Post by: Samp! on December 13, 2010, 09:35:24 PM
but lets face it mazda have taken the basic idea and improved on it, the new 3's are so much better to drive than the focus!
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: sk4tec on December 13, 2010, 09:42:03 PM
but lets face it mazda have taken the basic idea and improved on it, the new 3's are so much better to drive than the focus!

By improve it you mean use the Ford Focus platform whole-sale ?? 'Cos that's what it is underneath a Ford C1 platform. How a car corners is all about the rear suspension. Ford's cheap and effective control blade suspension gives similar level of control to premium sector cars at a fraction of the cost. If you have a torsion beam you either have a Golf MK IV floppy around corners... or a 306 great around corners but with a ride to shake your fillings out. With the control blade you can have the best of both.

Where Mazda have improved it in the oily bits, no question.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Anth on December 13, 2010, 10:57:39 PM
The sky engines are great and all, but there are alreadys golfs out that equal the mileage of the sky engines, in the new year the new focus will too...

by the time mazda bring out the sky engines, they will be 2-3 years behind everyone else.

I'm really starting to wish I'd went for a more economical car... I love the way the mazda looks, but when I can't afford the fuel it's gonna be as much use as an underwater hairdryer.

I have a 1.6 engine and I'm at 30mpg...
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: sk4tec on December 13, 2010, 11:47:33 PM
The sky engines are great and all, but there are alreadys golfs out that equal the mileage of the sky engines, in the new year the new focus will too...

by the time mazda bring out the sky engines, they will be 2-3 years behind everyone else.

I'm really starting to wish I'd went for a more economical car... I love the way the mazda looks, but when I can't afford the fuel it's gonna be as much use as an underwater hairdryer.

I have a 1.6 engine and I'm at 30mpg...

I had a loan 1.6 and was really poor on MPG, seemed not far off my 2.0  ??? That said it was a hire car, so who knows how it was driven. Perhaps its worth upgrading the air filter

The 2.0 in the current 3 Sport looks to really has increased the MPG. I avoided the Golf 1.4 tsi as all VW petrol engines need high octane (low sulphur) fuel - any saving in MPG you spend on fuel.

I've read Honda are developing turbo units.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Anth on December 14, 2010, 01:34:53 AM
The sky engines are great and all, but there are alreadys golfs out that equal the mileage of the sky engines, in the new year the new focus will too...

by the time mazda bring out the sky engines, they will be 2-3 years behind everyone else.

I'm really starting to wish I'd went for a more economical car... I love the way the mazda looks, but when I can't afford the fuel it's gonna be as much use as an underwater hairdryer.

I have a 1.6 engine and I'm at 30mpg...

I had a loan 1.6 and was really poor on MPG, seemed not far off my 2.0  ??? That said it was a hire car, so who knows how it was driven. Perhaps its worth upgrading the air filter

The 2.0 in the current 3 Sport looks to really has increased the MPG. I avoided the Golf 1.4 tsi as all VW petrol engines need high octane (low sulphur) fuel - any saving in MPG you spend on fuel.

I've read Honda are developing turbo units.


Yeah, even if I drive like a saint I'm only getting 31mpg... 4000 miles on the clock now, so should be seeing a gradual increase.

I've heard people in the mps getting 33mpg with mixed driving...


That's interesting, we werte either gonna get the 1.4tsi golf match, astra 1.4 turbo or the mazda...

Astra was a no go as I've heard of reliability problems and the lack of bluetooth

Golf was the best speced car, but looked boring

Mazda had the lowest hp, but was so hot... went for beauty over brains I guess....

Yeah, fancy a k and n filter, jsut not sure which one I need for the 1.6
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: sk4tec on December 14, 2010, 01:43:33 AM

Yeah, even if I drive like a saint I'm only getting 31mpg... 4000 miles on the clock now, so should be seeing a gradual increase.


4K on the clock, I've read 6K is when petrol engine begin to run in. I would guess that your engine is a little tight. I would wait a few more thousand miles before (carefully & gradually) exercising the engine thought its rev range.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Anth on December 14, 2010, 02:20:00 AM

Yeah, even if I drive like a saint I'm only getting 31mpg... 4000 miles on the clock now, so should be seeing a gradual increase.


4K on the clock, I've read 6K is when petrol engine begin to run in. I would guess that your engine is a little tight. I would wait a few more thousand miles before (carefully & gradually) exercising the engine thought its rev range.

Ooooops  O0

Yeah, I thought it was 6000, just was expecting it to start to improve gradually... perhaps I'm just too impatient :D

been trying to drive a little less aggressively lately to improve economy...
however, the snow buggered those plans
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: daiking on December 14, 2010, 07:20:17 AM
Ooooops  O0

Yeah, I thought it was 6000, just was expecting it to start to improve gradually... perhaps I'm just too impatient :D

been trying to drive a little less aggressively lately to improve economy...
however, the snow buggered those plans
Took mine till 50,000 miles and driving gently, during the summer till I could get decent (around 40) economy out of mine. Then I ruined it by putting big wheels on it to see it collapse again. Glad work is paying for some of my petrol at the moment.

Not so bad though, I used a Civic the other week and I know it was cold but I needed to fill it with over £50 of fuel for a 250 mile round trip! The other thing was I've never seen a hire car with 25K miles on the clock  :o
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Duc de Pommfrit on December 14, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
I was reading Top Gear magazine who were saying goodbye to the honda R-type.  Something about EC regs and it high reving engines! 

Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: K13 RFF on December 14, 2010, 05:58:14 PM
ooops sorry i didnt mean to cause agro  :( jus i had three foci and they all had trouble with them. my fatha now has a focus and hes having  issues with his

sorry dudes
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: Anth on December 16, 2010, 01:17:00 PM
Ooooops  O0

Yeah, I thought it was 6000, just was expecting it to start to improve gradually... perhaps I'm just too impatient :D

been trying to drive a little less aggressively lately to improve economy...
however, the snow buggered those plans
Took mine till 50,000 miles and driving gently, during the summer till I could get decent (around 40) economy out of mine. Then I ruined it by putting big wheels on it to see it collapse again. Glad work is paying for some of my petrol at the moment.

Not so bad though, I used a Civic the other week and I know it was cold but I needed to fill it with over £50 of fuel for a 250 mile round trip! The other thing was I've never seen a hire car with 25K miles on the clock  :o

50, 000 miles crikey thats crackers...

Problem is, by the time I've put 50,000 miles on the clock, I will have spent thousands extra on fuel compared to a golf for example...

although I guess the high octane fuel would cost more...

Pretty soon, petrols will be defunct as diesels will always be better value...


I think the issue is with the stats manufacturers post. Average fuel consumption should be split into several section:

Best Av Fuel Econ (dyno)

Realistic Fuel Economy based on the average driver (not a fuc**ng dyno reading)

This could perhaps be broken down into section based on how many miles are on the clock

There are equally powered diesel engines gonig around that give 45+ mpg... the price difference between diesel and petrol cars doesn't offset the cost

Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: don on December 16, 2010, 05:13:58 PM
So to add to this FORD/MAZDA debate- I agree that the platform is shared, but I would take this as being the floorpan. Other components, such as suspension/ steering and hubs may APPEAR to be interchangeable, but I would hazard doubt as to this being the case. For instance, when I was on the hunt for a spare wheel (stupid foam) I assumed a Focus MK2 one would fit, but the PCD was completely wrong and unique to japanese cars.
FORD use their own electrics, which give issues, and MAZDA use Japanese (which generally dont). Just look at the switchgear and fusebox in your 3- nothing from Dagenham there!
Having said that, I believe the 1.6 petrol engine is a true Jap unit (could be wrong) but who makes the engine in my 2.0? Is it a FORD Duratec made for MAZDA, or a MAZDA DISI made for FORD? It certainly has FOMOCO stampings on some casings and the dipstick. Or is it made in Mexico for both 'companies'-Ditto the diesel units-FORD/ MAZDA/ PEUGEOT/ CITROEN? does each company build their own, or buy them in?
As for consumption, mines usually showing an average of 34 mpg, which Im happy with though I did used to have a Cooper S (slurp, slurp watch that fuel dissappear). Oddly enough, now FORD have reduced their shareholding, it seems more and more FORD dealers in the midlands are combining with a MAZDA franchise. Strange.
Title: Re: Mazda and Ford
Post by: fl3x7 on May 09, 2012, 12:08:54 AM
Wow maybe I have been naive but i didnt realise so many companies actually collaborated like this.

Thanks